I'm very interested in the questions Sherry raised for us=20= relative to women's presence in theological education, especially the one ab= out how "female students see theological education as a means to claim their= equality with men" and with it, what we as women who are leaders in th= eological education are doing to foster this. It's something we certai= nly need to be intentional about, and we can probably learn a lot from each=20= other as well as find new ways to support each other in these efforts.<= /DIV>

I don't know what is being done along the lines of a surve= y, but I would like to volunteer to help with it, if volunteers are needed.&= nbsp; This ties in very closely a course I'm planning to teach on women= in leadership in the history of Christianity. Either way, m= aybe Marsha or Sherry (or someone else) could respond with informa= tion about a formal approach to studying this issue.

Thanks and God bless you all this holy season.

Wendy

Wendy J. Deichmann Edwards

Director, United Theological Seminary at Buffalo

Director, Buffalo Course of Study Extension

Associate Professor of History and Theology, United T= heological Seminary

WJDEdwards@united= .edu

-------------------------------1103210483-- From mkrych@ltsp.edu Thu Dec 16 12:36:07 2004 Received: from exprod5mx115.postini.com ([64.18.0.87] helo=psmtp.com) by endor.fyi.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CezXr-0004vL-Cw for atswomen@listserv.fyi.net; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:36:07 -0500 Received: from source ([64.9.12.69]) by exprod5mx115.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:26:54 PST Received: from [10.0.2.135] (internal135.ltsp.edu [10.0.2.135]) by worms.ltsp.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBGHQhYq015266; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:26:43 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.290 [265.5.4]); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:26:42 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20041216122041.02abfb30@mail.ltsp.edu> X-Sender: mkrych@mail.ltsp.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:26:42 -0500 To: WJDE3chh@aol.com, Boyd@ats.edu, atswomen@listserv.fyi.net From: Margaret Krych Subject: Re: [ATSwomen] Re: Response to ATS WIL Listserv Info and Sherry's issues for theo ed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F5B1D03; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-41C1C5520AC6=======" Cc: X-BeenThere: atswomen@listserv.fyi.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Message center for the Women in Leadership in Theological Education Program of The Association of Theological Schools List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:36:08 -0000 --=======AVGMAIL-41C1C5520AC6======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_10095484==_.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F5B1D03 --=====================_10095484==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F5B1D03 I also would be very interested in such a survey. I don't know whether "equality" or "entitlement" are operative in women's theological education, and suspect that this may possibly differ with denomination. But, I'd like to know. I'm pretty strapped for time but would be willing to help in a limited way if this issue is going to be studied through a survey or some such. Margaret Krych, Associate Dean Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia At 10:21 AM 12/16/2004 -0500, WJDE3chh@aol.com wrote: > Thank you Marsha and Sherry for your work on this, and also to those > of you who have sent greetings. > I, too, would like to remain on the list. > I'm very interested in the questions Sherry raised for us relative to > women's presence in theological education, especially the one about how > "female students see theological education as a means to claim their > equality with men" and with it, what we as women who are leaders in > theological education are doing to foster this. It's something we > certainly need to be intentional about, and we can probably learn a lot > from each other as well as find new ways to support each other in these > efforts. > I don't know what is being done along the lines of a survey, but I > would like to volunteer to help with it, if volunteers are needed. This > ties in very closely a course I'm planning to teach on women in > leadership in the history of Christianity. Either way, maybe Marsha or > Sherry (or someone else) could respond with information about a formal > approach to studying this issue. > Thanks and God bless you all this holy season. > Wendy > Wendy J. Deichmann Edwards > Director, United Theological Seminary at Buffalo > Director, Buffalo Course of Study Extension > Associate Professor of History and Theology, United Theological Seminary > WJDEdwards@united.edu >_______________________________________________ >ATSwomen mailing list >ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net >http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atswomen --=====================_10095484==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F5B1D03 I also would be very interested in such a survey. I don't know whether "equality" or "entitlement" are operative in women's theological education, and suspect that this may possibly differ with denomination. But, I'd like to know.
I'm pretty strapped for time but would be willing to help in a limited way if this issue is going to be studied through a survey or some such.
Margaret Krych,
Associate Dean
Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia

At 10:21 AM 12/16/2004 -0500, WJDE3chh@aol.com wrote:

   Thank you Marsha and Sherry for your work on this, and also to those of you who have sent greetings.
   I, too, would like to remain on the list.
   I'm very interested in the questions Sherry raised for us relative to women's presence in theological education, especially the one about how "female students see theological education as a means to claim their equality with men" and with it, what we as women who are leaders in theological education are doing to foster this. It's something we certainly need to be intentional about, and we can probably learn a lot from each other as well as find new ways to support each other in these efforts.
   I don't know what is being done along the lines of a survey, but I would like to volunteer to help with it, if volunteers are needed. This ties in very closely a course I'm planning to teach on women in leadership in the history of Christianity. Either way, maybe Marsha or Sherry (or someone else) could respond with information about a formal approach to studying this issue.
   Thanks and God bless you all this holy season.
   Wendy
   Wendy J. Deichmann Edwards
   Director, United Theological Seminary at Buffalo
   Director, Buffalo Course of Study Extension
   Associate Professor of History and Theology, United Theological Seminary
   WJDEdwards@united.edu
_______________________________________________
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--=====================_10095484==_.ALT-- --=======AVGMAIL-41C1C5520AC6=======-- From smartin@erskine.edu Fri Dec 17 09:59:07 2004 Received: from exprod5mx87.postini.com ([64.18.0.75] helo=psmtp.com) by endor.fyi.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CfJZS-0004SN-Qy for atswomen@listserv.fyi.net; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:59:07 -0500 Received: from source ([206.74.226.4]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx87.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:49:54 CST Received: from erskine.edu (ec-228-103.erskine.edu [206.74.228.103] (may be forged)) by mail.erskine.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iBHEmn4R015867; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:48:50 -0500 Message-ID: <41C2F31B.7030900@erskine.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:54:19 -0500 From: Sherry Martin Organization: Erskine Theological Seminary User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marsha Boyd Subject: Re: [ATSwomen] ATS WIL Listserv Information References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: atswomen@listserv.fyi.net X-BeenThere: atswomen@listserv.fyi.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Message center for the Women in Leadership in Theological Education Program of The Association of Theological Schools List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:59:07 -0000 Dear Friends, I am sorry for the influx of emails that all of you have been receiving of late. I added a long list of new folks to our existing listserve, and apparently, I let everyone know about the addition instead of just a welcome message to our new additions! It has been a good welcome for the new folks, and I have particularly enjoyed seeing the wonderful and warm responses as the different folks shared their delight in welcoming our new people and their expression of gratitude for being on the list. My apology for sending the message to everyone. The message went out in the midst of a hurried job. My husband had just been told that he had a blockage in his heart, and I was preparing to be away from the office for his heart cath as well as go to the hospital with our daughter who had a huge lump to appear on the outside of her throat. I was also rushing to finalize all the last minute "on-my-desk" demands before we closed for the holidays today - not to mention I had to shop for Christmas gifts! My mind seemed to be racing too fast with little being accomplished. As it turns out, the heart cath was normal. The hospital said they have never had a "false positive" on a stress test that revealed not only a blockage but an abnormal amount of blood flow to the heart. My brother-in-law (who is a retired surgeon) said it was virtually impossible for the test to be incorrect. Anyway, we can only assume that the outpour of prayers were answered. The heart cath revealed a very healthy heart! The indigestion he was experiencing was really indigestion!! He has high blood pressure and a cholesterol problem, but both are manageable. Our daughter has to undergo some further blood work next week in addition to the ultra sound and previous blood work, but there appears to be no cancer, just a really messed up thyroid. We are most thankful for these encouraging reports. Please continue to pray for our family. I have two brothers who are serving in Iraq; an aging, dear Mother who has experienced some serious health problems of late, and a sad family as we face another Christmas without my father who died two years ago at this time. You will be in my prayers as well. I wish you all a very blessed and joyous holiday season. Merry Christmas! Sherry Martin Marsha Boyd wrote: >Good Morning, > >Based on the flurry of recent emails I thought it would be a good idea >to resend excerpts from the original email from our Listserv Manager, >Sherry Martin, Director of Academic Services and Registrar at Erskine >Theological Seminary, Due West, South Carolina, who has been managing >the Listserv since 2003. We really appreciate her willingness to do >this. > >Her email gives the basic "rules of the road" for subscribing and >unsubscribing to the Listserv as well as other information. > >Blessings to each of you as we enter the Christmas Season and another >New Year! > >Marsha Foster Boyd, PhD, Director >Accreditation and Leadership Education > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >August 15, 2003 > >Dear Colleagues: > > Greetings and welcome to each of you. My name is Sherry Brooks >Martin, and I have agreed to be the ATSWOMEN listserv administrator for >the next year. I am the Director of Academic Services and Registrar at >Erskine >Theological Seminary, Due West, South Carolina, beginning my work >August 19, 1985. I hold a bachelor's degree from Lander University and >a Master of Arts in Theological Studies from Erskine Theological >Seminary. I have completed additional post-graduate work in the areas >of New Testament and Greek. > > I would like to extend a warm and gracious welcome to each of >you and ask that all of you actively participate in making this posting >one which will help us as we continue our work in theological education. >There are many issues in theological education. Where do women fit in? >Women are now leaders in traditional roles normally held by men, and we >have to deal with new issues of authority as supervisors. How can we >shape theological education, yet in doing so, sensitize ourselves to the >thoughts, hopes, and feelings of those around us? To what degree do >female students see theological education as a means to claim their >equality with men? I would be interested in surveying women students >in the various seminaries to see if there are patterns of attitudes of >entitlement to a theological education and ministerial service. Does the >environment we set support this behavior? I encourage you to share your >comments and concerns about the changing roles in the leadership of >women who are attending and serving theological institutions. > As we share our thoughts and concerns with one another, please >refer to and abide by the list of rules provided by ATS that govern use >of the ATSWOMEN mailing list. > > PARTICIPATION > Participation in the ATSWOMEN list is limited to women >administrators at ATS member, candidate, and associate schools, and to >women faculty who have participated in the programs of the ATS Women in >Leadership program. ATS women will be subscribed automatically when they >become >eligible; if you believe you are eligible to participate and you have >not been subscribed, you may request subscription by using the "Contact >Us" link in the Women in Leadership section of the ATS website >. > The list is configured with a regular and a digest option. 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You can >access the archive through the list's general information page at >http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atsdeans. >To post to the list, send messages to: atsdeans@listserv.fyi.net. >Replies are sent to the individual who posted the message to which you >are replying; if you wish your reply to go to the whole list, you must >enter the list address. > To unsubscribe from the list, go to your subscription page. > > LIST ETIQUETTE >1. Please observe the norms of civility you would observe when > speaking face-to-face. >2. Please sign all postings to the list with your real name. >3. The quotation of copyrighted material is governed by the same >norms that would obtain for print media. >4. Please proofread your messages and add or change the subject >line to reflect the content of your posting. >5. Please avoid including the original message in your reply to a >posting. If you must do so, use only as much of the original message as >is necessary. 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Let's continue that bond of commitment as we >strive to help >each other as we serve as present and future leaders of theological >schools. > >Warm regards, >Sherry Brooks Martin >smartin@erskine.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >ATSwomen mailing list >ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net > > >_______________________________________________ >ATSwomen mailing list >ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net >http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atswomen > > > From CKleinga@lstc.edu Thu Dec 30 11:12:58 2004 Received: from exprod5mx32.postini.com ([64.18.0.187] helo=psmtp.com) by endor.fyi.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ck2v4-0006uC-5O for ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:12:58 -0500 Received: from source ([206.69.216.22]) by exprod5mx32.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:03:53 CST content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Subject: RE: [ATSwomen] Evidently on some lists and not others. Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:01:49 -0600 Message-ID: <68312EAB4FB21B4BA4D0076B55EFBE4101352197@joshua.lstc_mts.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ATSwomen] Evidently on some lists and not others. Thread-Index: AcTi9+Rt2edDjebCSYiCylEt89lt1AAAkrJQAuOpk6A= From: "Connie Kleingartner" To: "Thistlethwaite, Susan" , "J. Dorcas Gordon" , "Heidi Hadsell" , , Cc: X-BeenThere: atswomen@listserv.fyi.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Message center for the Women in Leadership in Theological Education Program of The Association of Theological Schools List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:12:59 -0000 I would like to remain on the list as well. The Rev. Dr. Connie Kleingartner Logos Professor of Evangelism and Church Ministries Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago Director of Field Education and Candidacy ckleinga@lstc.edu (773) 256-0747 -----Original Message----- From: atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net [mailto:atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net]On Behalf Of Thistlethwaite, Susan Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:03 PM To: J. Dorcas Gordon; Heidi Hadsell; renichfraser@ebts.edu; ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net Subject: RE: [ATSwomen] Evidently on some lists and not others. Not only am I glad to continue to be included on the list, I am glad to = see all the names of friends and colleagues popping up on my computer. = A blessed Christmas holiday to each and all. Susan Thistlethwaite -----Original Message----- From: atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net [mailto:atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net]On Behalf Of J. Dorcas Gordon Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:42 PM To: 'Heidi Hadsell'; renichfraser@ebts.edu; ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net Subject: RE: [ATSwomen] Evidently on some lists and not others. Ditto. Dorcas Gordon -----Original Message----- From: atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net [mailto:atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net] On Behalf Of Heidi Hadsell Sent: December 15, 2004 3:39 PM To: 'renichfraser@ebts.edu'; ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net Subject: RE: [ATSwomen] Evidently on some lists and not others. I too want to stay ont he list, though I didn't get the original message. Thanks,=20 Heidi Hadsell -----Original Message----- From: Elouise Renich Fraser [mailto:renichfraser@ebts.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:28 PM To: ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net Subject: FW: [ATSwomen] Evidently on some lists and not others. I didn't receive the message either, though I'm on the list serve and want to remain on it. Thanks. Elouise Renich Fraser Elouise Renich Fraser, Ph.D. VP/Dean & Prof. of Systematic Theology Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary The Seminary of Eastern University 6 Lancaster Ave. Wynnewood, PA 19096 phone: 610-645-9313 email: renichfraser@ebts.edu fax: 610-649-3834 -----Original Message----- From: atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net [mailto:atswomen-bounces@listserv.fyi.net]On Behalf Of MELLOAN, DONNA Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:04 PM To: 'atswomen@listserv.fyi.net' Subject: [ATSwomen] Evidently on some lists and not others. I would like to remain on the list for ATS Women, tho' I did not receive this e-mail from ATS. Thanks, Donna Melloan Dean of Students Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary dmelloan@lpts.edu _______________________________________________ ATSwomen mailing list ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atswomen _______________________________________________ ATSwomen mailing list ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atswomen _______________________________________________ ATSwomen mailing list ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atswomen _______________________________________________ ATSwomen mailing list ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atswomen _______________________________________________ ATSwomen mailing list ATSwomen@listserv.fyi.net http://listserv.fyi.net/mailman/listinfo/atswomen From Boyd@ats.edu Wed Jan 26 15:37:51 2005 Received: from exprod5mx19.postini.com ([64.18.0.159] helo=psmtp.com) by endor.fyi.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CttvD-0004gB-J4 for atswomen@listserv.fyi.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:37:51 -0500 Received: from source ([64.65.223.195]) by exprod5mx19.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:29:02 CST Received: from ATS_DOMAIN-MTA by ats-2.ats.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:32:51 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:32:42 -0500 From: "Marsha Boyd" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__Part5A7AE17A.0__=" Subject: [ATSwomen] FW: News of Rosemary Keller X-BeenThere: atswomen@listserv.fyi.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Message center for the Women in Leadership in Theological Education Program of The Association of Theological Schools List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:37:52 -0000 --=__Part5A7AE17A.0__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought all of you would like to know about Rosemary's upcoming surgery. As many of you know, she was a past chair of Women In Leadership. Please keep her and her family in your prayers. Marsha Foster Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Faculty" ; "Staff List" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: News of Rosemary Keller, fomerly dean Dear Seminary Community: > > You will all want to know that Rosemary Keller will undergo major surgery on Friday of this week at Rush Hospital in Chicago. Medical tests last week showed two cancerous growths on Rosemary's right kidney, and the doctors have urged that the right kidney should be removed completely. The surgery is expected to take several hours and Rosemary will have to stay in the hospital another five or six days for recuperation; then a month's convalescence at home. > > I spoke with Rosemary twice over the past weekend. She expressed lots of confidence in the medical people who are looking after her and she feels hopeful about the future. Still, what a blow this is to her, coming as it does, so unexpectedly and without warning. Remember Rosemary and Bob in your prayers. > > If you wish to write, Rosemary's home address is 4300 N. Marine Dr., Apt 905, Chicago, IL 60613. > > James Hayes > > Dean of Academic Administration > Union Theological Seminary > New York, New York 10027 > Telephone 212 280-1552 > Fax 212 280 1539 --=__Part5A7AE17A.0__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: HTML

I thought all of you would like to know about Rosemary's upcoming surgery. As many of you know, she was a past chair of Women In Leadership. Please keep her and her family in your prayers.

Marsha Foster Boyd

----- Original Message -----
From: <jhayes@uts.columbia.edu>
To: "Faculty" <allfaculty@uts.columbia.edu>; "Staff List"
<allstaff@uts.columbia.edu>; <fa04allstudents@uts.columbia.edu>
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Subject: News of Rosemary Keller, fomerly dean

Dear Seminary Community:
>
> You will all want to know that Rosemary Keller will undergo major surgery on Friday of this week at Rush Hospital in Chicago. Medical tests last week showed two cancerous growths on Rosemary's right kidney, and the doctors have urged that the right kidney should be removed completely. The
surgery is expected to take several hours and Rosemary will have to stay in the hospital another five or six days for recuperation; then a month's convalescence at home.
>
> I spoke with Rosemary twice over the past weekend. She expressed lots of confidence in the medical people who are looking after her and she feels hopeful about the future. Still, what a blow this is to her, coming as it does, so unexpectedly and without warning. Remember Rosemary and Bob in your prayers.
>
> If you wish to write, Rosemary's home address is 4300 N. Marine Dr., Apt 905, Chicago, IL 60613.
>
> James Hayes
>
> Dean of Academic Administration
> Union Theological Seminary
> New York, New York 10027
> Telephone 212 280-1552
> Fax 212 280 1539

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